Reza Aslan Serves Robert Spencer Overdose of Truth

Christiane Amanpour had an interesting show called “Holy War: Should Americans Fear Islam?” on her program This Week. The panelists were quite diverse, there was Azar Nafisi, author of Reading Lolita in TehranDonna Marsh O’Connor of September 11th Families for a Peaceful Tomorrow, andDaisy Khan. Opposing the mosque and supporting the idea that America should fear Islam was anti-Muslim bigot Robert Spencer of Jihad WatchPeter Gadiel of 9/11 Families for a Secure Americaand Rev. Franklin Graham. Other special guests included: Reza Aslan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Gary Bauer, Brad Garret, Anjem Choudary and Imam Ossama Bahloul.

There seemed to be too many people on the show and not enough time, but at the end of the day the result was a positive one: Robert Spencer got roasted for being the anti-Muslim bigot that we have always known him to be. Reza Aslan took him to task for promoting nonsense about Islam and Muslims and then trying to evade responsibility for his rhetoric on his fanatical followers. Spencer’s organization, Stop the Islamization of America (SIOA) was also called out by Aslan as a bigoted anti-Islamic organization imported from Europe.

REZA ASLAN, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR, DAILY BEAST: Robert Spencer is quite famous for spewing nonsense, and this is – this is more nonsense that every single -media matters– every single non-partisan media organization has said, quite clearly, every word that came out of Robert Spencer’s mouth – the reason that he’s the only one who said this is that he’s the only one who actually has this information.

(crosstalk)

SPENCER: It’s easy to attack me personally — its harder to deal with the facts.

AMANPOUR: Reza, what did he say that was inaccurate?

ASLAN: I’m going to go ahead and trust the FBI instead of Robert Spencer when it comes to the rise in Muslim hate crimes. But that’s not even the issue here. If you go around saying that 80 percent of mosques are preaching hatred and violence, then why are you surprised that people would actually respond with fear and with violence against Muslims?

SPENCER: Well, actually, I didn’t say that.

ASLAN: And if you’re spreading this kind of ideology, don’t pretend that you don’t have a role in the consequences of the things that you say.

SPENCER: — when in reality, these were three separate, independent studies that came to this figure of 80 percent. They all say that in 1998

ASLAN: Those studies have already been bunked by everybody.

(CROSSTALK)

ASLAN: No one is taking you seriously.

SPENCER: I didn’t invent this. Yes, you act like I invented Osama bin Laden.

AMANPOUR: Mr. Spencer, you have led quite a lot of the protests behind the Islamic center that Daisy and her husband is trying to -build

SPENCER: Yes. Quite so.

AMANPOUR: You have a blog called Jihad Watch and you’re part of an organization called Stop the Islamization of America.

SPENCER: Quite right.

AMANPOUR: I want to go to Reza Aslan, because you were in Europe, lecturing on this topic of islamophobia– Where does the Stop Islamization Movement come from?

ASLAN: Well, it comes from the – an organization, a neo – not – what the E.U. refers to as the neo-Nazi organization called Stop Islamization of Europe. And that kind of institutionalized Islamophobia is precisely what your organization, Stop Islamization of America, is importing into the United States. And honestly, you’re on the wrong side of history. And very soon, in a couple of decades, you will be sweeped and your ideas will be sweeped into the garbage bin of history, along with the anti-Semites of the 20th century and the anti-Catholics of the 19th century.

(APPLAUSE)

SPENCER: Here again, Reza Aslan is displacing responsibility and trying to act as if this is something that I am doing that is illegitimate, or something that I have created. When actually, you look at the writings of 20th century — muslim brotherhood theorists like and people like Madudi in Pakistan, the founder of Jamaat-e-Islami — he says, “Non Muslims have absolutely no right to wield the reins of power in any part of God’s earth. And, if they do, it is the believer’s responsibility to dislodge them from that power by any means possible.”

26 thoughts on “Reza Aslan Serves Robert Spencer Overdose of Truth

  1. I loved how everyone in the audience laughed at Spencer. Aslan is the perfect person–both intellegent and articulate–to represent Muslims.

    BTW, did anyone else notice how Spencer kept on making creepy smiles?

  2. As usual, a Muslim going against Robert in a debate ends up looking like a hysterical lightweight. Aslan can’t argue against any of Robert’s points in any kind of meaningful way, so he gets personal and starts acting like a confrontational thug. Standard operating procedure for an Islamic supremacist.

    “ASLAN: Those studies have already been bunked by everybody.”

    Oh really? Care to cite a few examples, Mr. Aslan? Or are you comfortable with postulating claims that conveniently require no evidence?

    Well, it comes from the – an organization, a neo – not – what the E.U. refers to as the neo-Nazi organization called Stop Islamization of Europe. And that kind of institutionalized Islamophobia is precisely what your organization, Stop Islamization of America, is importing into the United States. And honestly, you’re on the wrong side of history. And very soon, in a couple of decades, you will be sweeped and your ideas will be sweeped into the garbage bin of history, along with the anti-Semites of the 20th century and the anti-Catholics of the 19th century.

    Platitudes and talking points, nothing more. It’s worth pointing out how many of the “anti-Semites” today are, in fact, Muslims. Islam is inherently anti-Semitic, and the Qur’an describes them as “apes and pigs.”

    It’s also worth pointing out how Robert Spencer replied to this wild outburst by Mr. Aslan with actual cited evidence… not emotionally charged rhetoric that Aslan deals in almost exclusively.

    If Aslan is the best weapon that Islamic jihadists and their leftist allies have against Robert, that’s really sad.

  3. Typical Anhi.

    ”It’s also worth pointing out how Robert Spencer replied to this wild outburst by Mr. Aslan with actual cited evidence… not emotionally charged rhetoric that Aslan deals in almost exclusively.”

    Spencer replied to Aslan with nervous laughter, a reference to an obscure writer (of Indian, not a Pakistani origin), and an immature statement (as follows).

    ”I didn’t invent this. Yes, you act like I invented Osama bin Laden.”

    Aslan was right when he said independent studies bunked Spencer’s claim–it was actually Spencer who couldn’t refute Aslan.

    All he could do was pretend Madudi represents 100% of Muslims. a common anti-Muslim fallacy.

  4. “As usual, a Muslim going against Robert in a debate ends up looking like a hysterical lightweight.”

    Sure. That’s why Spencer posted several items smearing Aslan before the show even aired. Also, does the fact that the audience laughed at Spencer and applauded Aslan mean anything to you?

    Even the nutters (Geller and Schlussel) are carping over Spencer’s loss.

    Also, if Spencer is so infallible then why hasn’t he accepted Danios’ invitation to a debate?

    Scholars, both Muslim and non-Muslim,mostly ignore Spencer because giving him attention would be more than he deserves. Hence Kruse’s statement…

    “When it comes to Robert Spencer scholars of Islamic studies outright dismiss him and his body of work. They call him an unreliable ideologue at best and a divisive bigot at worst.”

  5. Here you go (with adjustments)

    “As usual, a Muslim going against Robert in a debate ends up looking like a hysterical lightweight.”

    Sure. That’s why Spencer posted several articles on his hate site smearing Aslan before the show even aired. Also, does the fact that the audience laughed at Spencer and applauded Aslan mean anything to you? Even the nutters (Geller and Schlussel) are carping over Spencer’s loss.

    Also, if Spencer is so infallible then why hasn’t he accepted Danios’ invitation to a debate? Loonwatch members have already debated you on these threads and you clearly lost–you also showed that you knowledge of Islam is very limited.

    Scholars, both Muslim and non-Muslim,mostly ignore Spencer because giving him attention would be more than he deserves. Hence Kruse’s statement:

    “When it comes to Robert Spencer scholars of Islamic studies outright dismiss him and his body of work. They call him an unreliable ideologue at best and a divisive bigot at worst.”

    It’s funny that you call Aslan “hysterical”, especially when one considers Spencer’s/Graham’s paranoid rhetoric.

    • Also, does the fact that the audience laughed at Spencer and applauded Aslan mean anything to you? Even the nutters (Geller and Schlussel) are carping over Spencer’s loss.

      Not at all. Aslan decided to get personal and arrogantly acted like he didn’t need to present any arguments to counter Roberts, and the crowd simply reacted. Perhaps they were laughing at Aslan’s inability to actually argue a valid point. If not, they were probably as biased as you would be if you were part of the audience.

      You can pretend that Robert lost all you want. It’s obvious that Aslan had no intention of actually debating. He was just trying to be as inflammatory and confrontational as possible. Like I said earlier, standard operating procedure.

      Also, if Spencer is so infallible then why hasn’t he accepted Danios’ invitation to a debate?

      I would like to debate President Obama on quite a few issues, but I’m very unlikely to do this. Does this mean I win some default victory over Obama? Hardly. I’m not on Obama’s level, nor is Danios on Spencer’s level. Danios would like to be, but he isn’t really a blip on Spencer’s radar. Danios is really a nobody in comparison, despite your hero worship of him on these forums.

      Loonwatch members have already debated you on these threads and you clearly lost–you also showed that you knowledge of Islam is very limited.

      You’re hilarious. So I “clearly lost” because taqiyya spouting Muslims and their politically correct leftist dhimmis are 99% of the population here, and I haven’t responded to all of them? I don’t really need to. The evidence that Islam is a violent ideology is very clear to see, and Muslims are, on a daily basis, committing murder and other heinous acts in the name of the religion. The only people who can’t see this are the ones with a reason to be in denial about it. That includes Muslims, many of whom do not want the rest of the world to know what Islam is *really* all about, and the politically correct multiculturalists who would rather let their own country burn to the ground than be accused of bigotry.

      When the evidence is on your side, maybe you will find you don’t have to go out of your way to argue. The burden is clearly on you, who has to prove, somehow, that these accusations against Islam are not valid. Good luck with that. All the tu quoque in the world can’t help you.

      • This is by far the most retarded comment you have posted thus far. Congratulations, you have outdone yourself. All of your ignorance and shitty stereotyping is summed up right here:

        So I “clearly lost” because taqiyya spouting Muslims and their politically correct leftist dhimmis are 99% of the population here, and I haven’t responded to all of them? I don’t really need to. The evidence that Islam is a violent ideology is very clear to see, and Muslims are, on a daily basis, committing murder and other heinous acts in the name of the religion.

        Even Spencer couldn’t have said it better.

        Here’re a few things we need to get out of the way, before you defecate more of your JW copy pasta.

        a.) 95% of Muslims have not even heard of the term taqiyya. It’s simply a catch 22 you people use as a red herring. It’s no surprise that the other 5% most often than not heard it from people like you. Oh, and taqiyya does not mean lying to non-Muslims to deceive them (I know right? funny stuff).

        b.) The fact that you think the Qur’an describes Jews as apes and pigs, really demonstrates your gross ignorance. Ever heard of story-telling? With that in mind, go back and read the verse you’re referring to.

        c.) and I haven’t responded to all of them?
        Really? You responded quite a few times if I remember correctly, but when the evidence was overwhelmingly against you, you conveniently left? Why is that? Poor 5th grade excuses aside, why don’t I give you another chance to address the arguments:

        http://spencerwatch.com/2010/09/22/facts-dont-matter-to-the-scholar-robert-spencer/

        Now that you’re done blowing Robert Spencer, how about you dial down the ignorance, and the arrogance, and actually try to debate. I mean, you are here to defend the infallible Spencer right?

        • a.) 95% of Muslims have not even heard of the term taqiyya. It’s simply a catch 22 you people use as a red herring. It’s no surprise that the other 5% most often than not heard it from people like you. Oh, and taqiyya does not mean lying to non-Muslims to deceive them (I know right? funny stuff).

          Wow, so 95% have never heard of it, and the remaining 5% heard it from people like me. That means 100% of Muslims would not be aware of a concept that is right there in the Qur’an! How do you think they missed it over the past 1400 years?

          The fact that you think the Qur’an describes Jews as apes and pigs, really demonstrates your gross ignorance. Ever heard of story-telling? With that in mind, go back and read the verse you’re referring to.

          Why don’t you tell this guy that he is ignorant about Islam? Someone he, as a devout Muslim, came across this idea in the Qur’an. Odd, I know.

          Now that you’re done blowing Robert Spencer, how about you dial down the ignorance, and the arrogance, and actually try to debate. I mean, you are here to defend the infallible Spencer right?

          Muslims have been unable to argue against Robert’s argument that the Qur’an sanctions warfare against unbelievers. Muslims cannot argue against the mountain of evidence that shows that Muslims are, on a daily basis, committing murder and other heinous acts in the name of the religion. The only thing Muslims can do, as evidenced by this site, is try and cast doubt on Robert Spencer’s personal character. He’s a racist, yet Islam is not a race. He’s a bigot, yet he is simply reporting what is going on in the jihad world. When that doesn’t work, they use Christianity and Judaism as red herrings in tu quoque reasoning.

          How long can you try and hide the fact that Muslims are engaging in jihad warfare against non-Muslims? How long can you try and pretend that the Qur’an doesn’t sanction violence, or that Muhammad was a sick psychopath? The world is waking up to this religiously twisted form of fascism.

          • Good job man. Not a shred of evidence; not a single verse to back up your claims “but it’s right there in the Qur’an“. Remember how bad you failed the last time you did that? I do.

            All you do is point to this guy and that guy. Come on, show me where it says in the Qur’an to lie to non-Muslims as a form of Jihad. Come on, I’m waiting. While you’re at it, why don’t you also throw in the verse which describes Jews as apes and pigs, and not saying that Allah turned a group of Jews into pigs thousands of years ago. Come on, I’m waiting.

            Muslims have been unable to argue against Robert’s argument that the Qur’an sanctions warfare against unbelievers

            Bullshit. Wtf is this site supposed to be genius?

            How long can you try and hide the fact that Muslims are engaging in jihad warfare against non-Muslims?

            Nobody is hiding anything, because it doesn’t exist. Or am I practicing taqiyya? Am I hiding the fact that I’m Muslim, in order to save my life? Something tells me I’m not. But you know, taqiyya permeates the minds of every Muslim so much so that they do it subconciously. Yeah, right.

            Only giant vaginas like you, and everybody else swindled by Spencer believe that. You people are shitting bricks over a threat that doesn’t exist. Grow a pair, and stop whining about what the Qur’an says or what it doesn’t, and actually try to prove your points, and not throw shallow statements around.

  6. Let’s compare what Aslan and Spencer said:

    Aslan:
    1) Non-partisan organizations have debunked Spencer has a charlatan

    2) Spencer’s claim that 80% of Masjids are radical has been bunked

    3) “Stop the Islamization of Europe” is associated with Neonazism, and Spencer’s organization is a spinoof that seeks to import bigotry

    4) People must be held accountable for their rhetoric, especially when it’s false or libelous (against 1.5 billion people)

    5) Anti-Muslims are on the wrong side of history and they will be remembered as obscure bigots in the future.

    Aslan was correct in all his assertions. Apperantly, unlike Spencer, Aslan is a credible academic.

    Now let’s see what Spencer has to say:
    1) His (Spencer’s) assertions about hate crimes is right, while the FBI’s are wrong

    2) 80% of mosques are radical

    3) Reza Aslan accused him of creating Bin Laden

    4) Madudi is bad

    The first three are obviously wrong: I trust the FBI over Dr. Spencer of Google University, @Maximus has a link to an article debunking Spencer’s claim regarding mosques, and Aslan didn’t accuse Spencer of creating Bin Laden.

    However, Spencer’s off-topic comment about a relatively obscure South Asian writer is, for the most part, correct.

    Although, as I said mentioned before, Madudi was born in what is now India, not Pakistan.

    • 3) “Stop the Islamization of Europe” is associated with Neonazism, and Spencer’s organization is a spinoof that seeks to import bigotry

      If SIOE is associated with Neonazism, then every single MSA on every college campus is associated with terrorism. Every single mosque that had, at some point, an extremist inside its walls, is associated with terrorism. The SIOE, and SIOA, do not stand for Neonazism, regardless if a few so-called Neonazis joined the organization.

      4) People must be held accountable for their rhetoric, especially when it’s false or libelous (against 1.5 billion people)

      Yeah, we all know how much you Muslims hate the freedom of speech and want limitations on the criticism of Islam. Too bad. This is not Saudi Arabia and we do not conform to Sharia principles. The ugly truths about your religion, including Muhammad’s rape of little girls, should be spoken about freely.

      5) Anti-Muslims are on the wrong side of history and they will be remembered as obscure bigots in the future

      Just like the people who stood up against Nazism, another form of fascism.

      Oh wait…

      • Yeah, we all know how much you Muslims hate the freedom of speech and want limitations on the criticism of Islam.

        Yay, more generalizations. No surprise that you’re a product of Spencer’s rhetoric.

      • The SIOE, and SIOA, do not stand for Neonazism, regardless if a few so-called Neonazis joined the organization.

        “Saving” Europeans from a tiny and hated religious minority by way of legalized discrimination?

        Nothing like Nazism at all. (sarcasm)

        If SIOE is associated with Neonazism, then every single MSA on every college campus is associated with terrorism.

        What a silly comparison. The SIOE and Neonazis work side by side: the Muslim Student Associations doesn’t work with terrorists, they simply help Muslim students.

        http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2007/10/21/german-neo-nazis-stage-mosque-protest.html

        • How do they work “side by side.” I think it’s funny how Muslims here are accusing me of not defending my points with evidence, yet you as a group are postulating claims that conveniently require no evidence. Everything is just taken as truth with no evidence. Nice groupthink you got going here.

          The MSA was founded by the Muslim Brotherhood, which has an insane amount of ties to terror groups. If SIOE is connected to Neonazism simply because a few have joined the organization, then the connection between the MSA and terrorism is much, much clearer.

  7. Bullshit. Wtf is this site supposed to be genius?

    This site is an attempt to silence Robert’s legitimate objections to Islam by attacking his personal character and trying to discredit him. When that doesn’t work, tu quoque reasoning becomes the standard.

    Only giant vaginas like you, and everybody else swindled by Spencer believe that. You people are shitting bricks over a threat that doesn’t exist. Grow a pair, and stop whining about what the Qur’an says or what it doesn’t, and actually try to prove your points, and not throw shallow statements around.

    Uh oh, is the Muslim getting angry? That usually doesn’t end well.

    I would wager actual money that you are not involved in any other online forums where you try and correct the thinking of extremist Muslims who think the same things about Islam that I do. I notice that many “moderate” Muslims don’t seem to care that millions of their fellow co-religionists believe these things… the issue is when a non-Muslim thinks these things about Islam. It’s just part of the Islamic supremacist mindset… the kuffar are not allowed to speak badly about Islam and Muhammad, in Islamic lands or elsewhere. In Islamic lands, the punishment is death, and Muslims are trying to bring that same standard to all corners of the Earth. That’s why Molly Norris is no longer known as Molly Norris. That’s why Robert Spencer and anyone else who speaks badly about Islam needs security wherever they go.

    You are an absolute fool if you honestly think there is no threat posed by radical Islam. Maybe it’s not a big threat to you because you are on that side already. For us who are not, and never will be, we have every right to respond and defend ourselves from this dangerous form of fascism.

    • This site is an attempt to silence Robert’s legitimate objections to Islam by attacking his personal character and trying to discredit him. When that doesn’t work, tu quoque reasoning becomes the standard.

      Once again, shallow statements with no evidence. This is beginning to become a trademark for you isn’t it?

      I would wager actual money that you are not involved in any other online forums where you try and correct the thinking of extremist Muslims who think the same things about Islam that I do.

      Go ahead and speculate. That’s all your arguments are ever based on anyway; conjecture.

      You are an absolute fool if you honestly think there is no threat posed by radical Islam.

      The threat is just as dangerous as the threat posed by Jewish and Christian extremists. Are Muslims planning (and succeeding) to take over the world, and implement Shariah worldwide? No. Is that what you and Spencer think? Yes.

      I’ve also noticed that you haven’t given proof for anything you said earlier. Not surprised in the least. Now if you’re done guessing and estimating, why don’t you try and be factual for once? Come on, I’m waiting.

      • Go ahead and speculate. That’s all your arguments are ever based on anyway; conjecture.

        Nice dance. Does that mean I’m right?

        The threat is just as dangerous as the threat posed by Jewish and Christian extremists. Are Muslims planning (and succeeding) to take over the world, and implement Shariah worldwide? No. Is that what you and Spencer think? Yes.

        lol, right, all those Jewish and Christian extremists. See, this is why Muslims, even moderate ones, should not be trusted. Rather than admit that there is a huge problem with radical Islam, you would rather shift the focus onto Christians and Jews… even though neither group is creating the kinds of problems that Muslims are on a daily basis around the world.

        When there are just as many terror attacks and holy wars being waged by Christians and Jews in today’s world, then you might have a point. Until then, you are in damage control and standing up for your more extreme coreligionists.

        I’ve always suspected that moderates are not concerned with the actions of extremist Muslims because, deep down, they are glad that the dirty work for Islam is being done. As long as the dar al Islam is spreading, the ends justify the means.

        • Nice dance. Does that mean I’m right?

          Nope, it doesn’t. Still speculating though. Nice.

          lol, right, all those Jewish and Christian extremists. See, this is why Muslims, even moderate ones, should not be trusted.

          Maybe I shouldn’t have used the names Christian and Jewish; as it hit a nerve, just as I thought. My point is, Islamic extremism is just as dangerous as any other terrorist threat in the world. No more, no less.

          http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/

          Have you read the RAND report? Have you looked at the FBI’s terrorism databases (facts, I know are foreign to you) to see that the threat of Islamic extremism is extremely exaggerated. Does the threat exist, and is it serious? Yes and yes. But by that token, why should be 5 times as scared of radicalized Latinos. But in a world where Robert Spencer’s rhetoric is actually believed, that isn’t the case.

          deep down, they are glad that the dirty work for Islam is being done. As long as the dar al Islam is spreading, the ends justify the means.

          Not only are you a master of conjecture. But you can also read the minds of people over the internet. Good for you.

          Now when are you going to get around to actually proving your statements using verses from the Qur’an?God knows how well that worked out last time.

        • I’ve always suspected that moderates are not concerned with the actions of extremist Muslims because, deep down, they are glad that the dirty work for Islam is being done. As long as the dar al Islam is spreading, the ends justify the means.

          Nice job @Anhi.–end your post by making yourself look like a bigot/idiot.

          Apperantly mainstream Muslims (who are the biggest victims of terrorism) aren’t concerned with terrorism, and IEDs spread Islam.

          Makes sense if you’re a nutter.

          • Apperantly mainstream Muslims (who are the biggest victims of terrorism) aren’t concerned with terrorism, and IEDs spread Islam.

            This site is proof that moderate Muslims are more worried about “Islamophobia” than they are about the extremist Muslims who attend the same mosques as the moderates. Considering that Muslims are, by far, the biggest victims of terrorism, I would expect some of you to be trying to confront the extremists in your midst. Yet, you’re not.

          • Says somebody who bases all of his allegations on conjecture. Muslims are the premier source of curbing radicalization, which you would know if you would stop guessing, and pretending you know how Muslims behave in mosques.

            http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/

            Seems like you didn’t read this link properly. Maybe it’s because it contains facts (*gasp*). In any case, I’ll quote it for you:

            But it is the Muslim-American communities themselves who play a large role in keeping the number of radicalized members low through their own practices, according to the study. Leaders and Muslim-American organizations denounce violent acts, for instance, in messages that have weight within communities.

            In addition, such communities often self-police — confronting those who express radical ideology or support for terrorism and communicating concerns about radical individuals to authorities. Some Muslim-Americans have adopted programs for youth to help identify those who react inappropriately to controversial issues so they can undergo counseling and education, the researchers said.

            “Muslim-American communities have been active in preventing radicalization,” said Charles Kurzman, professor of sociology at UNC, in the statement. “This is one reason that Muslim-American terrorism has resulted in fewer than three dozen of the 136,000 murders committed in the United States since 9/11.”

            I wonder why you’re claims are so factually incorrect. Do you do this on purpose or what?

  8. I would expect some of you to be trying to confront the extremists in your midst. Yet, you’re not.

    I can show you many examples of Muslims fighting radicalism–it’s the rhetoric Spencer and the Bigot Brigade, not Reza Aslan, that is increasing radicalism amongst both Muslims and non-Muslims. According to your loony logic, demonizing Muslims will somehow stop terrorism. Of course, this makes no sense at all– just like everything else Islamophobes say.

  9. Ahi, despite the fact that u have corrected over and over again, it seems like cynic said, “you are a master of Conjecture” spencer have really done a number on you. As all your points are based on conjecture” reading people’s minds”. One Should laugh at a conjecture extremist like you. Hhahahah

  10. Regardless, Aslan responses are weak in the quotes you mentioned. even if he is right, I like people to argue without personal attacks. so I don’t see how he “served” Spencer. if he says these were debunked he better cites it at the time even if there is already resources on the net to that effect, spend your energy on the point rather than blabber and personal attacks. let the listeners decide these words. This blog for example mention good points such as the police blotter point, such points should be raised. People avoid attacking people personally it just render your points weak.

    If you notice Spencer speaks better unfortunately, he focuses on his points, though he is wrong. What he found in Islam is almost same problems in Christianity, yet he is a Christianist.

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