72 thoughts on “Reza Aslan on the Islamophobes

  1. Key quote of the video:

    “I am certain, absolutely 100% confident that in a generation or two and we will look back on the Robert Spencer’s, Pamela Geller’s and Newt Gingrich’s of the world, of today, with the same kind of shame, the same kind of derision and the same kind of mockery, and I do mean that honestly because these people are clowns and you should laugh at clowns, that we look at back at the anti-semitic bigots of the 1920s and 30s, the anti-Catholic bigots of the late 19th century. I’m certain about that.”

    I don’t know how others feel but Muslims don’t feel too certain that this will disappear anytime soon. But he’s right this has absolutely happened before with other minorities and look at them now — they’re productive members of society. We have the advantage because we have history to learn from, so in theory, the process of people accepting us should be faster. Only time will tell but what is certain is that Muslims will have to work even harder than other minorities have done to be accepted.

  2. What about the over-representation of Muslims in violent attacks and sexual assaults in western countries? Here in Australia, we have around 360,000 Muslims which is a small amount compared to our 22 million total but every week there are attacks and rapes committed by Muslim men whether they be from Iraq, Iran, Somalia or Sudan. Of course, many people of every race and religion commit crimes but there are way too many Muslims doing it here in Australia when you consider they amount to only 1.7& of the population.

    • Names and dates Marty. Without details you are just fear-mongering. I’ve lived in one of the major-Muslim areas of Sydney for the last 6 years and have neither heard of nor seen reported any of these rapes and attacks “every week” as you claim.

    • What about the over-representation of Muslims in violent attacks and sexual assaults in western countries?

      So what Marty? Even if that is true, so what? Does that mean that mean that all 1.6 billion Muslims in the world should be vilified simply because they are ‘over-represented’ when it comes to crime? Does that also mean that we should create myths about stealth jihad, and demographic jihad, and soup jihad, and water jihad, and taqiyya…to scare us into believing that Muslims are a monolithic bloc 1.6 billion strong hell-bent on taking over the world? All because according to you and other bigots, they are ‘over-represented’ in violent crimes.

      I guess that by that logic, we should make a campaign against African-Americans in the US, because they are also over-represented in those areas. I wonder what sort of myths we should come up with eh? You people are the imaginative ones, so I’ll leave that to you. Oh wait, that’s bigotted you say? No shit.

      • I guess that by that logic, we should make a campaign against African-Americans in the US, because they are also over-represented in those areas

        And that’s another problem with political correctness. There is a problem with black people in this country, but nobody is willing to say it. They claim that it is all the fault of white bigots (which, no doubt, is the where Muslims got the idea to blame the white man), instead of taking any responsibility for the deplorable state of their communities. And it has been very successful excuse making campaign. Nobody looks at the fact that black men are more likely to leave their families, or are more likely to abuse drugs, or commit infidelity, or join a gang, or a host of other bad decisions that these people make. As long as they have an excuse, they have a way of escaping responsibility.

        No, there shouldn’t be a campaign waged against blacks, but we need to understand what is causing these problems in their community and work to correct them. Constantly using a scapegoat is not the solution, and it will never result in them taking responsibility for themselves.

        The trouble with Muslims is that the problems originate from a supremacist ideology and religious fascism. Blaming “American imperialism” is a scapegoat. The West has business in the Middle East, just like it has business in other parts of the World…that does not give Muslims the excuse to go on a worldwide campaign of terrorism and murder, even though many feel it is justified.

        • There is a problem with black people in this country, but nobody is willing to say it.

          Oh wow, so we’ve got a Black problem too lol?

          Nobody looks at the fact that black men are more likely to leave their families, or are more likely to abuse drugs, or commit infidelity, or join a gang, or a host of other bad decisions that these people make.

          Has it ever crossed your twisted mind that it could maybe be because of the fact that a Black man is more likely to be at the bottom of the social totem pole? Or maybe because about 25% of African American families live in poverty?No, that can’t be it…can it? Naw.

          As long as they have an excuse, they have a way of escaping responsibility.

          No no, you’re absolutely right. Let’s ascribe collective guilt to an entire group of people because of the actions of a few of them…simply because the percentage is higher than for other people. That’ll make us feel much better about ourselves no?

          Are the statistics disturbing? Definitely. But to say we have a ‘black problem’, is not the way to go about changing them.

          And it’s quite rich that you keep harping about scapegoating, when that’s all you do. Whether it’s Muslims or African Americans, you’re constantly ascribing collective guilt to a group of people to explain society’s problems…without ever looking at cold hard facts. And your willing blindness (read: bigotry) when the facts are actually presented to you give the impression that you don’t really care about change.

          • “Whether it’s Muslims or African Americans, you’re constantly ascribing collective guilt to a group of people to explain society’s problems…”

            You hit it right on the nail.

            But Ahni’s post are riddled with bigotry, stupidity and hypocrisy so it really comes as no surprise.

        • “There is a problem with black people in this country, but nobody is willing to say it.”

          No, there is no problem with black people. They are normal humans just like us. There are other reasons why there is a higher crime rate like Cynic mentioned. It’s absolutely wrong to blame their ‘blackness’ or to say there is a problem with them. Just so you know, this is racism. Have you wondered why the only people talking about the issue that blacks commit more crimes and that their is a “problem” with them, are neo-Nazis?

        • “There is a problem with black people in this country, but nobody is willing to say it. They claim that it is all the fault of white bigots”

          Tinkerbell graces us with his intelligent racism and bigotry once again. Yes, it’s the black man’s fault for being subjugated for 400 years while the white man profited from free labor. It’s the black man’s fault for suffering from decades of repression, discrimination and segregation. It’s the black man’s fault for being segregated into underfunded communities. It’s the black farmer’s fault for being discriminated against even until the end of the 20th century. Maybe Ahni will enlighten us of what is the exact problem with blacks. Perhaps he is gonna whip out the old Bell Curve.

          “The trouble with Muslims is that the problems originate from a supremacist ideology and religious fascism. Blaming “American imperialism” is a scapegoat. The West has business in the Middle East, just like it has business in other parts of the World”

          lol@ahni. So, US can meddle in other countries affairs such as in Iran where it toppled a democratically elected leader like Mossadegh. But when it comes to direct or indirect blowback, we should all act surprised and befuddled as to how this could have happened, ignore all underlying geopolitics and make something vague and broad like a religion the culprit! lol@ahni. Do you even go back and read the horsesh!t you post? Here is America acting SUPREME by invading countries, installing dictators and meddling in countries affairs, yet you have no problem with this. It’s almost like you welcome it, but people wanting to fight this supremacy are not only the problem, but supremacists themselves!

          *taps Ahni’s head* Will someone turn this damn thing on already.

        • Has it ever crossed your twisted mind that it could maybe be because of the fact that a Black man is more likely to be at the bottom of the social totem pole? Or maybe because about 25% of African American families live in poverty?No, that can’t be it…can it? Naw.

          And whose fault is that? The white man? So I guess blacks get a permanent pass on being underachievers huh? I wonder how long the statute of limitations will last on blaming the white man for every problem that black people have in their community.

          Damn, I wish I had an excuse for everything in my life like they do. The fact that they commit more crime than any other minority group is simply the result of their poverty, which is the white man’s fault. It’s not related to the fact that less of them finish high school and go on to college.

          West Virginia has some of the poorest people in the country, and has one of the lowest crime rates. Washington DC, in contrast, has more money within its borders than anywhere, and has one of the highest crime rates. Go figure.

          • Oh, and it couldn’t possibly be related to the fact that black culture idolizes criminal behavior. From music to movies, it’s obsessed with gangs, guns, violence, drugs, and more.

            It’s like Muslims…who idolize Muhammad, who was a violent killer. Nobody should be surprised by how violent Muslims are.

          • lol@ahni. Nobody should be surprised at how Hitler and the Christian Nazis killed millions of Jews and non-jews when Europe’s history is filled with persecution and murder since the inception of Christianity. Nobody should be surprised that the biggest mass murders and wars in history were started by white european christians. Not to mention all the deadly conventional, nuclear, biological weapons created by white christians..because you know, they’re intrinsically violent.

            “Constantly using a scapegoat is not the solution”

            Derp!

          • I honestly expected better of you Ahni. Even the SIOE says “Racism is the lowest form of stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense”. Islamophobes have decided to limit their prejudice and hatred to Muslims and that means no longer pursuing their hated of Blacks or Jews.

            Islamophobes hate Muslims not Blacks. Black people are cool. They’re awesome. If they do have a high crime rate, it’s because of the lack of oppurtunity for them. And yes, it is the fault of the government that happens to be majority white. There is nothing in “black culture” that makes them genetically more likely to commit crime. That’s Neo-Nazi BS and you know it. Certain rap artists have decided to embrace the crime around them but that is not representative of all black people. That doesn’t mean that having dark skin makes you more likely to be a criminal.

            I shake my head in shame. I can understand why you hate Muslims today, but Black people? That was sooo 1800s.

            “All mankind is from Adam and Hawwāʾ, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.”

            The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in his farewell sermon.

            If you really want to pursue this whole “Black people commit crime because their culture is violent not because we might have destroyed their pretty awesome original culture, put them through hundreds of years of organised slavery, then segregated them, then f0rced them to fight for years until they could get their civil rights and still not take enough steps to lift them out of the poverty they have been in since then”, then please go to:

            http://www.davidduke.com/general/facts-about-black-crime-in-america_30.html

            Yes, David Duke. White Supremacist Neo-Nazi KKK trash. He agrees with you.

          • Refusing to blame white people for the problems that black people have their in community is not “racism.” Blaming white people for every single problem is reverse racism. Black people have many unique problems in their communities, and eventually they will have to accept responsibility for them. Constantly throwing out excuses and shrugging their shoulders is not going to help them at any point.

            And I never said they were “genetically” more likely to be violent. That’s perhaps your own racist beliefs being projected. I’m simply acknowledging that it is foolish and lazy to blame all their problems on the white man, or their poverty, when there are far more impoverished groups than blacks who do not cause nearly the same amount of crime.

            And blacks were enslaved by other blacks for thousands of years before any white man showed up on the shores of Africa. It’s not like blacks were living in a peaceful harmony in Africa and white guys starting plucking them one by one out of the jungle. They were purchased from black slave owners. And whites didn’t even own the most slaves… the Spanish in Southern America did. Read up on just how rampant slavery was in places like Brazil. Should anyone with Spanish ancestry feel guilty for slavery, or are whites the only ones who should feel guilty?

            Oh, and while your at it, you might want to read up on Muhammad owning and selling slaves, as well as the institutionalized slavery in Islamic history.
            Link. If Muhammad did it, how can it be bad? He was perfect, right?

          • ^^ Yes, I am aware the Spanish are “white.” I am referring to non-white Latin americans who owned slaves.

          • And whose fault is that? The white man?

            Why do you automatically assume that everybody’s out to get the ‘white man’? It’s simply a fact of life. It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that they have been segregated into ghettos that to this day are ridiculously hard to get out of. Or maybe because during times of economic growth, African Americans are the last to be hired. And during economic hardship, they’re the first to be fired…while being twice as likely to remain unemployed than Caucasians?

            The only people who bitch about African Americans, their crime rates and their perceived ‘blaming of the white man’, are the neo-Nazi, white supremacist assholes you’d find over at sites like Stormfront. So I guess it was just projection on your part, when ascribing Nazism to Muslims eh?

            Oh, and it couldn’t possibly be related to the fact that black culture idolizes criminal behavior.

            It’s called gang culture, not black culture you racist fucktard. Which isn’t exclusive to African Americans by the way. But I wouldn’t expect you to know the difference.

            But you see, that’s the racism of today. It isn’t about superior genetics anymore…it’s about our culture is superior to theirs.

            And blacks were enslaved by other blacks for thousands of years before any white man showed up on the shores of Africa. It’s not like blacks were living in a peaceful harmony in Africa and white guys starting plucking them one by one out of the jungle.

            So that makes it all better? I fail to see your logic here.

            Refusing to blame white people for the problems that black people have their in community is not “racism.”

            Sure it isn’t. But remind me who here was blaming white people for anything? You were the one who brought up this nonsense, which says it all.

            Relatively speaking, it’s somewhat understandable why you may hate Muslims. We can always say it’s fear that keeps you as bigoted as a rock. But your thinly veiled racism is repulsive. You seriously need to stop making enemies out of people who don’t look and think exactly like you do.

  3. Anti-semites gone? I doubt it, Aslan. You see Muslims are the current lot of anti-semites of today expressing their hatred of Jews and wishing of their deaths. At the Gaza street protest in 2008 in Melbourne, I saw with my own eyes, Muslims (some of which were young children) holding up slogans of “Bring back the ovens”, “Hitler was right” and “Kill all Jews.” No-one batted an eyelid including many non-Muslims who were engaged in the street march.

    • That’s the most ironic thing about Aslan’s brand of taqiyya… he constantly talks about other groups being antisemitic, but never acknowledges that Muslims are the most antisemitic group in the world right now. Muslims like to paint Islamophobes as Nazis (look at the pathetic photoshop image of Spencer as Hitler a few posts down), yet it is Muslims idolizing Hitler and calling for another Jewish Holocaust. It is Muslims threatening to nuke Israel off the map. It’s projection to the nth degree.

      • It’s not even all Muslims. A few sign-holding Muslims is hardly evidence against the whole religion.

        By Ahni’s (and Marty’s ) logic, Christians are the most anti-semitic, and homophobic people on earth because of the signs held up by followers of WBC…who are more than just a few people mind you.

      • “Anti-semites gone? I doubt it, Aslan.”

        Note Marty’s blatant lie. Reza Aslan never implied that anti semitism is gone and neither did he deny that certain Muslims might hold antisemitic views. All he said is that we will soon look back on Islamophobes like you with the same shame and derision with which we look back on the anti-Semites of the 1920s and 30s.

        If anyone is spraying taqiyya, then it is Marty and Ahni.

    • “It is Muslims threatening to nuke Israel off the map. It’s projection to the nth degree.”

      Was it not Hindu extremists that called for Pakistan to be wiped off the map in this video. A video which Spencer and Geller gladly put on their websites and Geller loved her genocidal ramblings so much that she wanted her to be president of the United States. Awwh. That’s what we call interfaith collaboration. A Hindu, Jew and Catholic all agreeing to wipe Pakistan off the map.

      http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/03/pamela-geller-and-robert-spencer-wipe-pakistan-off-the-map/

  4. ” it’s obsessed with gangs, guns, violence, drugs, and more. ”

    Rigght…whites don’t have these obsessions or problems at all. From the hicks with their obsession to the 2nd amendment to the meth and cocaine, to work, family and school shootings….to you know, invading other countries..

    Movies? lol@ahni. What movies are you talking about? Just throwing out horsesh!t hoping it sticks, right?

    • Rigght…whites don’t have these obsessions or problems at all. From the hicks with their obsession to the 2nd amendment to the meth and cocaine, to work, family and school shootings….to you know, invading other countries..

      Is that why whites have a lower crime rate than most minority groups?

      I like how you can safely use the word “hick” with no repercussions, yet if I was to throw out a racial slur, I’d be accused of racism. Nice double standard.

      • “Is that why whites have a lower crime rate than most minority groups?”

        Well, when you control much of the government and businesses, have subjugated blacks to slavery, segregation and discrimination I could see why there’s less of a need to commit crime. Also, I can see by you how racially motivated hate-crimes is mostly committed by whites.

        In 2009, the racial breakdown of the 6,225 known hate crime offenders was as follows:

        * 62.4 percent were white.

        Calling someone a hick (an unsophisticated, boorish, and provincial person) doesn’t even come close to the vile bigotry and hatred you spew here on a daily basis.

        • “Hate crime” statistics are highly biased. Most black on white crimes are not categorized as hate crimes, whereas most white on black crimes are.

          Link

          • Also keep in mind whites are 75% of the country. Blacks have a higher percentage of hate crimes, and other violent crimes, relative to their population size.

          • Nice link you got there from the right-wing hate tabloid frontpage.

            “Most black on white crimes are not categorized as hate crimes, ”

            I thought you would have substantive FBI statistics or some study to back up your assertion.

      • You still havent been able to answer to how peaceful white Christian’s were able to massacre millions in europe and in the america’s, start the worst atrocities in the 20th century and be able to make weapons which can destroy the world several times over.

        I blame it on action movies.

        • You can blame Christianity for the Nazis the same way you can blame atheism for Stalin.

          In other words, you can’t.

          Oh, and Hitler got some great ideas from the Mufti ( a Muslim).

          • “You can blame Christianity for the Nazis the same way you can blame atheism for Stalin.

            In other words, you can’t. ”

            You’re one of those people who thinks if they say it enough times it might become true.

            http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

            Just google “history of Jewish persecution” and take a look where 95% of it took place. Here’s a hint. In Christian Europe.

            Perhaps go take a gander at “On the Jews and their lies” and the seven-point plan by the reformist Martin Luther and it how it paved the way for massacres against Jews and non-Jews.

            Or just read the gate sign at Chelmno death camp that reads “”This is the gate of G-d, the righteous shall enter therein.” (Psalms 118:20)

            Let’s just take religion out of it. Guess what, they’re still white! 11 million people slaughtered in just a couple years, by white Europeans. The same white Europeans who massacred natives in the Americas, the congo, and invaded many other nations to subjugate the population and take their resources.

            But hey, I won’t say it’s because whites and christians are inherently violent. I’m not a bigot who needs to belittle others to feel better about myself.

            Just remember this. Most Russians are also white. lol

          • No doubt all modern Western historians credit the notorious Moofti with the murder of 6 million Jews. No wait…

            Surely the Moofti was tried at Nuremberg for what you Islamophobes claim was a pivotal role in the Final Solution.

            One Moofti supports him vs the millions of Catholic, Protestant and Atheist Germans that voted him into power. Do the maths.

          • Ahni is a simple minded bigot and hypocrite who has the attention span of a gold fish. He’ll come back and repeat the same brain farts after he had his ass handed to him many times. How many times did he bring up the Mufti and how he ‘taught’ Hitler a few things? lol

  5. Actually, reza lied there is a Fairfield, Texas. I suppose some will buy anything this apologist for the mullahs will try to sell.

  6. “Oh, and Hitler got some great ideas from the Mufti ( a Muslim).”

    Did he come up with the final solution? Oh no wait, that was Heinrich Himmler. It gets so confusing when bigots try to rewrite history.

  7. Since Marty is Australian and we’re talking about massacres, it’s only appropriate to discuss his criminal ancestors who massacred the indigenous population.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians

    After throwing the population in squealer and decades of discrimination, is it any wonder that 25% of the Australian population is indigenous? We invaded you and massacred you! Now it’s time for you to look for a job and stop committing crime!

  8. Reza Aslan never implied that anti semitism is gone and neither did he deny that certain Muslims might hold antisemitic views.

    Certain Muslims? Try about 1.6 billion.

    • You still haven’t provided me with a list of dates, places and names regarding your so-called “weekly” attacks and rapes involving Muslims in Australia Marty.

    • Well, if you consider anyone who isn’t an Israelophiliac an “antisemite”, then that pretty much covers almost everyone in the whole world outside of Israel, aside from their stooges and the fringe, extremist groups of Judeo-Christian apocalyptics in the US (who also happen to be Repugnantcans as well).

        • Not really, since, to begin with, I wasn’t talking about “the Jews”, but about the state of Israel. They aren’t the same.

          Not even all Jews are Israelophiliacs, yet you want to say everyone besides Muslims are? Get real:

          jewsnotzionists. org

          jewsagainstzionism. com

          Those websites speak for themselves.

          The fact is Ahninny, Israelophilia isn’t nearly as popular as it used to be.

          Anti-Zionism is NOT antisemitism.

      • Ahni, why distract the conversation away from how Marty lied about what Reza Aslan had said, even when the video was right there for him to watch and he could have even read the “key quote” from my comment. Instead, he chose to deceive everyone, thinking that we wouldn’t check.

        Even when Marty realised that what he said was BS, he stayed on and tried to change the topic of conversation. You, on the other hand, have chosen to run from any thread in which you are unable to answer any of the points raised by others.

        • Spencer’s M.O. is sensationalism, and it seems to have rubbed off on his bottom feeders. However, they aren’t quite as adept at it as Spencer is, so it’s easier to see through it when they do it. When they get called out on it, is when they actually feel stupid.

          They’ll never admit when they’re wrong of course, even when it’s as plain as day, as their idiotic pride prevents them from doing so. That’s probably what drives them even now.

          • Someone who believes Muhammad’s fairy tale has no business questioning the intelligence of anybody. Just sayin’

            Besides, I’d like to see you come to jihadwatch and argue against the entire site. I’ll point out every time you don’t respond to someone’s response and say you “ran away.” Fair is fair, right?

          • Actually, we base one’s intelligence on their own actions and words. And your words here speak volumes about your intelligence. Dummy didn’t even know what was occam’s razor or had any knowledge of the moon-god myth, but that didn’t stop you from trying to create the illusion of intelligence.

            And here you are again showing us your simple-minded bigotry by questioning the intelligence of a whole religion spanning different nations and ethnicities. Brilliant work Ahni! So much for atheists loving thy fellow man. All Ahni spews is hate. Perhaps he’s a self-hating muslim.

          • “Someone who believes Muhammad’s fairy tale has no business questioning the intelligence of anybody. Just sayin’”

            – You can say that if you want to, Ahninny. But, I can likewise say that anyone who believes the fairy tales of Spencer and his ilk has no business even talking about intelligence.

            Besides, I’d like to see you come to jihadwatch and argue against the entire site. I’ll point out every time you don’t respond to someone’s response and say you “ran away.” Fair is fair, right?

            – Yeah, go try and argue against a bunch of incoherent, ignorant, hate-filled, Repugnantcan tea-baggers, who’s responses would be worse than yours? And with Robert Spencer there to delete the stuff he doesn’t like?

            I think I’ll pass. It’s really kind’ve ironic how they can speak against intolerance, when in fact that site is actually less tolerant than these ones are.

          • – Yeah, go try and argue against a bunch of incoherent, ignorant, hate-filled, Repugnantcan tea-baggers, who’s responses would be worse than yours? And with Robert Spencer there to delete the stuff he doesn’t like?

            Well, I’m here talking to incoherent, ignorant, hate-filled, anti-semitic, America-hating, intolerant, terrorist sympathizing, “moderates.” It might help you get off the little Groupthink train you got going here.

            And, at least, Spencer won’t force your comments through moderation like this site does. And I have had many of my posts deleted here, so this site is no better.

          • Ahni, do you honestly not know from which threads you have run away from?

            I could remember a certain thread in which NassirH questioned the authenticity of a site you had linked to on 11 December.

            http://spencerwatch.com/2010/12/07/robert-spencer-goes-bonkers-for-austrian-fascist-ewald-stadler/#comment-2307

            Still, his comment is unanswered. You have visited spencerwatch since then and have most likely seen that comment so I came up with the explanation that you ran away. If you honestly believe that you didn’t run away then you can go back over all the old posts and answer the points that people have made and haven’t been answered. It will be a long task but if you are truly passionate about defending Western civilisation, then you will do so, especially since you think many of us are real terrorists and that the FBI should be watching us.

          • “Besides, I’d like to see you come to jihadwatch and argue against the entire site”

            Is this the amazing Ahni calling for backup? I see nothing wrong with the debate here so there is no reason to move it to a place inhabited by those who regularly call for the nuking of Mecca. Most importantly, sometimes I have to link to Loonwatch or Spencerwatch when someone brings up taqiyya or the Pact of Umar and Spencer doesn’t allow links to Loonwatch. Like I have said before, he doesn’t want any of his readers even accidentally accessing that site in case they learn the truth. At least you can link to your prophetofdoom or religionofpeace sites.

            “I’ll point out every time you don’t respond to someone’s response and say you “ran away.” Fair is fair, right?”

            Sure. Go for it. You can do that here. If there is any case where you directed a comment at me and I have not offered a single comment in response and no one else responded either, please tell me and I will gladly correct the situation. I would prefer if you did the same. It is quite frustrating when someone doesn’t even respond to points that you have raised even when you have taken considerable time writing them. Danios knows how that feels.

          • Well, I’m here talking to incoherent, ignorant, hate-filled, anti-semitic, America-hating, intolerant, terrorist sympathizing, “moderates.” It might help you get off the little Groupthink train you got going here.

            There is more rational discussion going on here than there is over there. “Groupthink”? Hardly. It’s an observable trend. You’re here talking to intelligent, coherent, knowledgeable, moderate, reasonable, rational individuals. That’s why people over here get trashed as (among other things) “leftists”. “Leftists” seems to be a term associated with people who are able to disagree with you coherently, intelligently, and rationally. And who else uses the term “leftist” to describe their opponents besides hardcore Repugnantcans?

            Not a single Spencerite who comes to these sites has sufficiently defended his points when challenged. It’s one thing to simply “not being able to respond to everyone” and something else to “not responding to anyone” or “not responding to any of the main points that are brought up against your argument”. All they do here is rant and rave about the same things over and over again, like a broken record and almost never respond when challenged about them. That isn’t “coherent”, that isn’t “intelligent”, and that isn’t “rational”.

            And, at least, Spencer won’t force your comments through moderation like this site does. And I have had many of my posts deleted here, so this site is no better.

            Spencer does delete people’s comments on his site, and it’s a lie to say that he doesn’t.

          • And, at least, Spencer won’t force your comments through moderation like this site does. And I have had many of my posts deleted here, so this site is no better.

            Actually, he does delete posts. Yet, this site allows your vile and ignorant bigotry to seep through. Perhaps it’s to give people a sample of the mentality of the muslimwatcher.

          • Not a single Spencerite who comes to these sites has sufficiently defended his points when challenged. It’s one thing to simply “not being able to respond to everyone” and something else to “not responding to anyone” or “not responding to any of the main points that are brought up against your argument”.

            I can say the same thing for any Muslim who poked his head up at jihadwatch since I’ve been going there.

            And, I should mention, that side-stepping an argument by pointing the finger somewhere else is not a refutation, which is a strategy that is employed here extremely often. When a point against Islam/Muslims is brought up, rather than address that point, they will divert attention away from it by bringing up some random factoid relating to Christianity, or using tu-quoque reasoning. That is deliberate diversion, and claiming victory in a debate when using such a tactic is ridiculous.

            Spencer runs into that quite a bit in this debate that he just did. Even the people calling in weren’t buying it.

            Oh, and Rasheed, an ex-Muslim, single-handedly shut down Imam Moustaffa. Must have hurt getting pwned in Arabic.

            Debate

          • I can say the same thing for any Muslim who poked his head up at jihadwatch since I’ve been going there.

            Well, given how Spencer “moderates” over there, it’s no wonder you’d get that impression.

            And, I should mention, that side-stepping an argument by pointing the finger somewhere else is not a refutation, which is a strategy that is employed here extremely often. When a point against Islam/Muslims is brought up, rather than address that point, they will divert attention away from it by bringing up some random factoid relating to Christianity, or using tu-quoque reasoning. That is deliberate diversion, and claiming victory in a debate when using such a tactic is ridiculous.

            Pointing out an obvious hypocrisy, is hardly side-stepping an argument, as it just takes the sensation out of it. Since the argument is being propped up by sensationalism, taking that way, the argument itself (true or not) becomes flimsy and irrelevant.

            Spencer runs into that quite a bit in this debate that he just did. Even the people calling in weren’t buying it.

            I’m sure he does. Hyprocisy is one of the first things people will point out, Muslim or not, since no one likes it.

            Oh, and Rasheed, an ex-Muslim, single-handedly shut down Imam Moustaffa. Must have hurt getting pwned in Arabic.

            Although I am curious to what you consider being “pwned”, what relevance does it have here?

        • The most antisemitic comment I have come across on these sites is actually from people from your side, Ahni. Here is Islamophobic loon, defender of Western civilisation, counter-jihadi, HalalPork who posted this a few minutes ago on Loonwatch:

          “Mindi 1 You are a hypocrite callous soul who would enjoy nailing Jesus on the Cross even today.You certainly have not changed like your ilk over two thousand years.”

          This was said to a Jewish commenter on Loonwatch because she was Jewish.

          • No doubt Ahni will now whine that he is only one Islamophobe that doesn’t speak for the rest of the other Islamophobes. Lol.

            The fact that there are many Jewish commenters on these sites and even a Jewish writer for Loonwatch, shows that these sites are not antisemitic.

    • The fact that you’re implying that you can read the minds of 1.6 billion people notwithstanding, you’re an absolute bigot. Absurd generalizations are the tell-tale signs.

    • If you can confidently believe that all 1.6 billion Muslims hate Jews then you are an idiot.

      If you can prove by some survey that every single person who believes in Allah and believes in the Prophet Muhammad as the final messenger of Allah also is an anti-Semite,then I will apologise. But until you can provide conclusive evidence that there is not a single Muslim on this planet that doesn’t hate Jews then I will stick by my conclusion that you are an idiot.

      ‘Muslims against antisemitism’ http://ma-as.org.uk/

      And Marty, you didn’t tell me why you lied and said that Reza Aslan implied that antisemitism was gone. If you watch the clip, you will realise that what you said was complete rubbish. This reminds me of how Ahni presented that website on the other thread that made up verses of the Quran and presented a quote from the Hadith as a quote from the Quran, thereby exposing his useless knowledge of Islam.

  9. Cmmon guys,,,, r we missing something here ,,,,We have already dicussed a lot on anti-seimitic,,,Islamophobia,,,, Now lets see a decent argument on something called Westophobia,, and please dont tell me that doesnt exist ,,,,,A deeper look inside the islamic world will definitely help

  10. Besides, I’d like to see you come to jihadwatch and argue against the entire site. I’ll point out every time you don’t respond to someone’s response and say you “ran away.” Fair is fair, right?

    Here’s a Loonwatcher pwning several bigots on a JihadWatch thread singlehandedly. A loon called Dumbledoresarmy crawled back days later and cut/pasted two bigoted rants, including one from the proven liar Nonie Darwish. Unfortunately for you, his aforementioned responses had no substance and the outcome of the “debate” was clear.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/11/how-the-term-islamophobia-got-shoved-down-your-throat.html

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