Spencer and Geller still Yapping about their “Historic” Rally

Robert Spencer and his goonish friend Pamela Geller, leaders of the hate group SIOA and FDI are claiming that the size of their rally on September 11th, which they billed as the biggest thing ever was huge.

The fact is that it was really not that big, let alone historic. It was definitely not in the 40,000 or more range as Geller and Spencer claim. In fact according to the AP it wasn’t larger than a thousand.

Charles Johnson sums it up well:

Anti-Mosque Rally Attendance: Less Than 1,000

According to the Associated Press, attendance at Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer’s international hate rally was less than 1,000: The Associated Press: Dueling demonstrations begin after 9/11 memorial.

After the ceremony, around 1,000 activists rallied about five blocks from the site of the 2001 attacks to support the proposed Islamic community center. A smaller group of opponents rallied nearby, chanting, “USA, USA.”

UPDATE at 9/11/10 6:27:36 pm:

Hilarious! Geller is claiming 40,000. Who could ever have predicted that?

UPDATE at 9/11/10 6:41:30 pm:

Pamela Geller’s closing words to the seething throng:

As the crowds dissipated, Geller warned them against talking to members of the media: “Do not give them any ammunition. You know who you are. You know that you’re righteous. Do not give them an opportunity to deride this fine and honorable effort. Remember what I’m saying. They’re looking to catch you. Don’t give it to them.”

Listen to Mommy,” she said.

Of course Spencer and company claim that it is a big old conspiracy against those who want to expose Islam, and that the numbers are under reported. Fact is that it isn’t under reported, it is just the their hate rally was “historically” underwhelming.

Spencer Contradicts SIOA Board Member John “Genocidal” Jay

Another instance of Robert Spencer stepping into a pool of lies, something that is as commonplace these days as Pamela Geller “hating Muslims on her blog and then claiming she loves Muslims on TV.”

This time it is in relation to a post, originally from Daisy Cutter at the DailyKos who exposed John Jay, founding member of FDI and a board member of SIOA for his genocidal predilections. Loonwatch posted the piece on its site and after that it was in the news with various Dutch websites (Krapuul foremost) and papers picking up on it, as well as the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Spencer claims John Jay has no role in FDI or SIOA, and that he doesn’t advocate “carte blanche” murder of all liberals and Muslims. Thanks Spencer, at least his advocacy isn’t “carte blanche.” Is that supposed to make us feel better?

Jay is, contrary to the hysterical claims that are circulating now, not a founder or co-founder of SIOA. He has no role in the running of the organization. And he does not advocate carte blanche killing of one’s liberal relatives, nor of Muslims.

Yet he contradicts himself in the very same post,

Hamas-linked CAIR and dhimmi Leftist jihad-enablers such as the Daily Kos, longtime CAIR tool Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs, and the Southern Poverty Law Center have been in a tizzy the last few days over some rather outlandish misrepresentations of some writings by John Jay, a member of the SIOA Board.


Spencer says John Jay is on the Board and then wants us to believe that he has nothing to do with the organization. Strange isn’t it?

John Jay wrote this before Spencer’s most recent blog,

i was not  and am not either a founder or a co-founder of s.i.o.a., that sort of thing being entirely beyond my reach. and i am not an officer or employee or even a member of s.i.o.a, though i am an enthusiastic proponent and supporter of its actions and goals. i consider pamela geller, founder and executive director, and, robert spencer, co-founder and associate director my mentors and champions of the anti-jihad movement, and so, therefore, it is with regret that i say i have no association in running s.i.o.a.

See the contradiction? Spencer admits Jay is a board member where as Jay scrambles to try to clear SIOA of any affiliations to him and his genocidal rantings.

Even more proof of John Jay’s involvement is the document that has John Jay’s signature on it along with Spencer, Pamela Geller, Anders Gravers and Rich Davis as the “persons associating together to form the corporation.”

The corporation in question is FDI which is the parent organization of SIOA. The document is no longer online but we have a copy.